Today Patty’s friend and colleague Anna Tsui joins her on the podcast. She’s a genius coach and international writer, speaker and serial entrepreneur.
She is the founder of The Intuitive Business School and her bestselling book, “Shadow Magic: Turn your Fear Into Fuel and Create a Prosperous Coaching Business” shows readers how to overcome their personal self-sabotage and build a thriving career and business.
Anna explains why shadow is important to her and why it may feel uncomfortable AND it’s worth exploring too.
Hear how she explains why the energy may feel “low” or “not good” and what you can do with it. The key question to answer: how sure am I that life is working for me? If you are experiencing difficulty, it’s not too late to lean into growth.
Never disconnect yourself from the belief that everything is working for your highest good.
Anna explains that many of us are waiting for someone outside ourselves for salvation. A sign that the Universe really is working on my behalf.
Find the one part of yourself that has a desire to engage. Feel into the part that isn’t hurting, the part of you that’s ready for growth.
Choose how you want to feel, even if it’s just a tiny sliver of emotion. Choose it with intention.
This is an important time to be honest with yourself. Get clear about your internal dialogue. Within us all, we have all the answers.
What is the Metaverse?
The best way to describe it is an alternate reality where people will have an avatar and will “own” spaces and interact with others only in that form.
Anna explains that while there is much we don’t know, she’s decided to approach this with curiosity. There’s a new consciousness coming and it’s inevitable, so she’s decided to be open to learning more.
There is a desire that’s birthed when we look at the things we don’t want to acknowledge. Use it to help you gain clarity.
She reminds us we have infinite power and one of the best ways to remember that is to choose.
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0:00:04.3 S1: Welcome to the space for magic podcast, where people who are led by their hearts come to learn the secrets to receiving all the gifts the Universe has for us. I’m your host, Patty Lennon. I’m an ex-type a corporate banker turned intuitive coach using a blend of common sense brain science and just a dash of magic. I’m here to help you create abundance in every area of your life and business. Welcome. Hey everyone, welcome to this episode of the space for magic podcast. I’m your host, Patty Lennon, and today I am bringing you a guest, which is always super fun, but especially when that guest is someone I consider to be both a colleague and a friend, and that is the case today with Anna Tsui now, and of course, has a formal bio, but I’m just gonna tell you what my personal relationship is to her and her work, and why I asked her to come on, so what Anna is an intuitive coach like me in terms of we both call ourselves that our work styles and the way we teach and what we teach is very different, what I find so fascinating about Anna is that she tends to be able to make the shadow side of situations of personalities of our work filled with a grace and beauty that I don’t see very often in other places, where people are teaching things related to shadows, shadows being the dark side of something, the uncomfortable side of something, maybe the piece that we don’t quite want to look at as closely, Anna really plays there in a very fun and fluid way, the other thing that fascinates me about Anna is she has started to learn and dive into this “Metaverse” that were supposedly stepping into and I know zero about…
0:02:02.0 S1: And she mentioned it the other day, and I was like, Okay, I need you to come on, we’ll talk about this crazy energy we’re in, and also she didn’t even know this, please tell me what this is and why I should not wanna smack every person that talks about the metaverse upside the head. So with that, Anna, welcome, and please feel free to share anything I didn’t include in that very professional bio with our listeners.
0:02:29.2 S2: Wow, patty, that was probably the best introduction ever, and to be included with the metaverse in the introduction… Wow, this is like a dream come true to me, but I actually think because I like shadow so much, that is one of the reasons why I am drawn to metaverse because with shadow comes light and vice versa… Right, and the metaverse is just like a big explosion of that, but I am not a metaverse expert, I am not a tech expert, I am not a gamer, like Patty said, I’m an intuitive coach. And what I really work with is like this, like I lean into frequencies, I lean into certain energies, and what I found is the deeper you lean in, ’cause some people, most people, the most normal people have a threshold of, Yeah, I’m not gonna lean into my deepest darkest shame about myself? That doesn’t feel very comfortable. I’m like, Yeah, let’s go there. And what I’ve always found is on the other side of shadow, there was always love, there’s always growth, there’s always abundance, there’s always strength, and it’s one of these journeys that I love sharing with people because you do really have to dive in to experience that, and which is why a lot of things dont shake me anymore.
0:03:41.2 S2: I was with a friend this morning on the phone and she was having a big break down, and I just like… I just held space and I knew she was gonna be okay, and she could feel that confidence that I had in the middle of her break down, and then it just ended up being a really quick conversation, actually Oh i feel great… I don’t know what I feel like I do on a daily basis, and Patty actually is one of my mentors who helped me to get here, so I give Patty a lot of credits. So it’s such an honor for me to be on this podcast. Patty.
0:04:14.4 S1: Thank you, mama are… So I know now that I’ve sort of mentioned the metaverse, one of two things are happening to the people listening, one is like, Oh good, I’m like Patty. I don’t know what the heck is going on, I can’t wait to hear what someone spiritually one might say, and the second group is saying, What is the metaverse, but I’m not gonna go there first, so if you’re listening, either one, whichever group you’re in… You’re just gonna have to buy your time. We’ll get to that next, because the main reason I wanted to talk to you was that I think you have a different lens to what’s going on energetically on the planet, so why do you think that people are in this low energy? What do you think is causing it or probably more powerfully, what is it that they can do to benefit from it or use it for them… Just like I say, this is happening for me, not to me. You know, how can people, especially people who are more sensitive to energy, use this in a powerful way, so it hit us. Show us the way, Anna.
0:05:22.4 S2: Oh, Patty, what’s coming up? When you mentioned that, is fundamentally we’re being shown to face our true belief of, Is this a friendly universe or is this a dangerous universe, you can let that sit because whatever is happening to us, and a lot of stuff has happened to us, and a lot of stuff is happening to us. I know out of the 10 people that I’ve spoken with this week, nine of them are like, I’m kind of in crisis, everything that I planned on doing this month, I am not doing… Because something has come up or I’ve been sick or I’ve been heard. That’s pretty consistent now, and so I’m just feeling into the energy, what is it showing, and I think it’s a real fundamental, Simple but not easy question of how much do you stand behind your belief that life is working for you, that it is a friendly universe that God and source are here to bring you your most abundant experience, or is it… Well, I feel that way until something happens, right, until I have more bills and I can pay until I get sick until… Because those are actually the moments, and if you are…
0:06:33.8 S2: And Please don’t hate me for this, if you are experiencing the gift of that high intensity test, if you will, or fire, it’s not really a test, it’s more of an initiation, but if you have received a gift of something that really pokes at your ego and your stability and your sense of self. It really is just you. That’s a… Doorway to your growth. And for everyone who’s in the middle of stuff, it’s not too late, you can still lean into what you know to be true, and I think all of your listeners know this to be true, which is, it is a supportive universe, if you choose it. It is a loving universe if you choose it, so never disconnect yourself from that powerful, powerful, powerful doorway, which is your thought that you’re in a loving universe, don’t disconnect yourself from that bring it with you until this experience, and it actually will change around very quickly.
0:07:33.0 S1: Interesting, okay, you have me righr up until a point, and then this will change around pretty quickly because I feel like I’ve been doing some of that, although I will tell the story of what I’m going through right in this moment, Anna so that there’s immediate context to this conversation and you can kinda slap me upside the head with what was me thinking, But I don’t… That’s what’s been so confusing to me about the last couple of months, especially is, Okay, I get knocked on my ass, I get back to the place of… I know that this is a benevolent universe, and I trust that this is happening for me, not to me. And then I get whacked again. In a totally different way, and I think there’s only so many whacks that someone can take even that standing in faith before they start to worry. And I think that’s what it is. It’s worry, it’s very base level, ego-driven emotion. What if I’m wrong? Or I don’t even think it’s the question of, Is this a benevolent universe without working within that benevolence looks different than what I’ve concluded it to me is that the divine is expecting something better, more different, whatever…
0:08:57.0 S1: In order for me to have the benevolence manifest, and the fact that it’s not or that I’m getting the opposite means I’m doing something wrong.
0:09:06.5 S2: Oh yeah, I wanna thank you for sharing that example, Patty. ’cause I feel like 100% of the people who are listening are like, Yeah, that’s me, I totally get that. And yeah, that’s me too. And so something really clear comes through when you mentioned that, and that is a lot of us are still expecting some external source of salvation, a lot of us consciously or unconsciously are like, Well, I expected this to work out, or I expect a sign or something, or something… And that actually is a realization for people who are at the highest levels of seeking spiritual growth, because there’s a drastic nuance here, the salvation is an external in terms of something will happen and then you’ll know… Oh yeah. Okay, I’m good. I don’t need to worry, I’m still connected. It’s still benevolent universe. I’m still a spiritual person, I can still… Manifest, okay, cool. That’s not… That actually, a lot of this shaking up right now that’s happening is disconnecting us from that tendency to seek and what’s really calling for… ’cause I just had this experience before I spoke with you the other day, I felt like I was back in the state of depression that was in most of my younger life, and I was just like, I feel like there’s just a heavy blanket over me, I don’t want to do when you think, I don’t want to be in my business, I don’t wanna be on social media, I do not wanna engage in the world.
0:10:35.6 S2: I hate everyone. Truly, I truly despise. Every one… And I was like, Oh no, am I depressed again? It is this something that’s happening after this amazing journey that I went on in my inner world, and then what I did was something told me like a just noodle around and find that one part of yourself that wants to engage, find that little sliver that has a desire to be a part of life again, and it took me honestly, just like maybe a few minutes and then I was like, Oh yeah, I can feel… As a part of me that’s like, Oh, maybe I wanna post something on social media or something like that, end… You wanna reach out to someone. And what I did was I just gave that part of me some life, some breath, some space, and then that just expanded into something that was nothing short of just spontaneous creativity, and I was actually telling my chiropractor about this ’cause I was seeing her the next day, and she’s like, That’s exactly what I tell my patients. Your whole body might be hurting, but there’s a part of you that doesn’t hurt, that actually might be…
0:11:43.0 S2: Maybe it’s just like your wrist and it just feels really good and it’s doing exactly what you wanted to do, and she’s like, Yeah, I tell my patients to just feel into that part, and I think that when I look back on it, it was almost like an internal healing or an internal validation, and I can say that this might be the answer for your question for everyone, but it helped me to bypass my ego and the remnants of my ego, that we’re still looking for validation that something was going right. And instead, I chose it for myself, so I don’t know if that is something that is helpful or infuriating, but that really put me on a whole different frequency for the rest of the week until now, so
0:12:30.2 S1: I think that’s both… I think it’s both helpful and infuriating, I think they sometimes go hand-in hand, especially for the time that we’re in, because I do think we’re in, we are being pushed through the birth canal of this human evolution. Yeah, labor in started and we thought that was it, and then we found out there were still a birth canal we had to go through where we are like, God dammit. I don’t think I smacked touch too. Yeah, and then we’re gonna get out on the other side, I don’t know if we don’t start screaming from the rooftops, maybe the universe is gonna slap a Saab within you that whole time, there’s a thread of excitement, there’s a thread of adventure, there’s a thread of something that you can choose to experience, and that thread, however small, and I’m telling you, I was really in a depression state, I was actually gonna say something to my husband, I don’t think I can do anything this week, I actually was like, I think mentone… All of my appointments, and I was this close to doing it, but then I was like, Let me just feel into what’s there, and it was like a hair, the sliver of a…
0:13:39.6 S1: I think I wanna engage with people. And I chose to do it, so that’s the big thing.
0:13:45.9 S2: It’s choosing how you wanna feel, even if it’s like a sliver… Yes.
0:13:53.5 S1: So many things I wanna ask you now. First of all, I think there’s… I forget what phrase you use, something combined with nuance, but it was a word that meant the opposite of nuance, so… Extreme new answer. Do you remember what were used… Nidaros, nuance, something. But I think there’s a lot of nuance in that word choice, choosing that, because as soon as you said that spark, that totally resonated with me. And I’m gonna tell a story in a second. But then that was like the part on the other side of it, was choosing is the infuriating part, so the look for the Spark is the helpful part, and then the choosing is the infuriating because it makes me feel like… Well, then if you don’t get there, you didn’t choose good enough, right. And so there is this place where you can still fail with a capital
0:14:51.8 S2: A, so if that were me and I was feeling that, which by the way, this was also part of my blanket, of depression thing as I was feeling that, and I was feeling all of those things, and it’s infuriating for someone to be like, Well, what you’re choosing that it’s like, No, I’m not… And I wanna choose something different, and that just gets us in that energy of even being more in that place, but I think the bigger picture that might be helpful, and I got it just this morning, actually, we are all becoming God, we’re all really learning to move about as God as Creator, as a really powerful copy imprint, duplicate of source, powerful energy and mastering this notion of choice of choosing what the bigger you want to choose versus choosing what the ego and the pain body is accustomed to choosing. When I chose this little sliver of engagement, I wasn’t profound, it was literally like I went on social media, so it wasn’t anything profound, but it was just like this little desire to engage with life and has that expanded throughout the week, I could actually feel parts of my lineage, and I don’t know, even as far as my ancestors, I could feel some of their limitations melting away, and I could feel this option of more choices, and so we do begin to expand our palette of choices, if you want to run the experiment of choosing something that might not be obvious, but it’s actually something that you really want, because now what I see is all of the stuff that kept me from choosing this, ’cause I was holding on to all of this person, they’re on social media, they’re popular and they suck it so all of this stuff, now we can look at that really clearly and be like, Well, in my place of mine, I was definitely choosing to be in that story, which is, I can’t say is not reality, there’s a lot of, I think, reality behind it, but the bigger game is we are moving into…
0:17:01.9 S2: And I love how you said the birthcanal, and it’s almost like we’re moving into these new bodies again and finding movement and building our, and I love this thing is just coming from me and you being together, Patty, it’s like this synthesis… This palette of choices. So you’re just building it up almost like paint watches like, Oh, let me choose this, let me try this, and then you’ll just have a bigger selection, which at the end of the day, it makes me just feel much more abundant and in control and honestly just rich like, Oh wow, I have all these choices.
0:17:38.0 S1: I love that, I do love that perspective on it, and I will say the story I was gonna mention is that I was gifted a set of mala beads and I had never worked with mala beads before, and when I read the instructions that came with it, when the things that was part of the process was, so mala beads have 108 beads. And I don’t know if each mala bead set is dedicated to kuan yin, but the ones I received are. And so you say a mantra with each Big 108 times to essentially infuse the beads with your intention and your dedication of practice to connect to them, etcetera, and I found doing them every day doing those 108 mantras really was very soothing in a way, meditation hasn’t been for me, in a while. And so that particular day, so the intention I set for the mala beads on a general working with them was for increased levels of love in my being and self-compassion. So that particular day, I was working with them and I found myself really having a hard time giving love to someone in my life who’s being difficult and who I know in my heart of hearts I love, and who is objectively like if I was to tell you the story of what she’s doing right now, probably the majority of you listening and you, Anna would say…
0:19:05.4 S1: Yeah, yeah, it’s reasonable. You’re angry, right? We know the anger isn’t ideal, but it’s a reasonable… Right. But I just didn’t wanna be Tracey that anger because it wasn’t teaching me anything. I was generating it with my thoughts ’cause I just kept revisiting the things she said that got me angry, so… Enter choice, right? Ideally, I would be able to choose love and forgiveness, but I couldn’t like… I just couldn’t do it, like I kept trying, but then within an hour or two, I’d be thinking about that thing she said, so that that has been happening for three days. So that morning when I realized that, I realized that was what I was gonna send her, that intention to clear, that was what I was going to center my practice on that day, we got to the end of the 1008 mantras, and there it was still alive and well, so I just said a prayer and I was like, Kuan Yin please help me. I don’t icon if you’re not familiar with her, is that… Is her… Her deck is compassion for self and others, that was probably disrespectful to say her shtick, but her… Which
0:20:20.4 S2: I think she was. Compassion for you, Patty?
0:20:22.0 S1: Yeah, I’m sure she does. Thank you. So I said, Please, just help me. I don’t know how to do this, and I immediately heard, find the glimmer of love in your heart center, and I had to sit there, it took me probably two solid minutes, which is a really long fucking time to say and please… Right, and not do anything. And I just kept looking and looking, and then I finally felt that glimmer of pure love in the very core of my heart center, and so I just held on to it, and it was… I held on to that and I ignored everything else, and I really did have to use will for about 10 seconds, and then all of the sudden it just bloomed and it took up all the other space that anger had been taking up
0:21:12.5 S2: A rock on Patty, that’s what I’m talking about… That’s the shortcut. It’s already within you, and so Kuan yin definitely said it better, but it’s like there’s a part of you that… That part that you noticed… Yeah, obviously, I still love her. And if you can just lean into that part that’s already there, and I love how you basically just illustrate the power of love over everything else, it just kind of like everything else up. Right, but when you said it, it’s like you really felt that it was true, it wasn’t just something you conjured in your head forcing it to happen…
0:21:46.4 S1: Yes, for sure. I think the thing… The question now I have on the back end of that is I don’t think I was able to choose on my own, so I think it’s because I asked for help choosing and staying in the choice I wanted to make, which was love. That gave me the extra oomph, so I’m curious if you believe that, if you have anything to add about that to that with the people listening, that maybe can help them understand how to choose in a way that’s more powerful for them, but powerful from the perspective of support.
0:22:23.2 S2: Yeah, and I think this is really important, and I think it has to do with how… Early on, we were introduced to God to spirituality. If you had more of a choice in it, then it’s probably easier for you if you didn’t really have a choice in it, and then also you were taught that you only have a choice over many things, you just have to do this… It’s just this practice, this habit that we have of not feeling like we have a choice, and if it’s coming up for you, how do I choose… Can I choose? I don’t know how to choose or I need someone to give me permission to choose, if any of these thoughts are coming up for you, then I would love for you to just really re-listen to Patty’s story, because it’s always within us. The thing is, you don’t actually even need to consciously choose it, if you don’t… If that word doesn’t resonate to the mechanics of that, it doesn’t vibe with you, it’s already within us, so it’s almost like just choosing to lean into the color, the frequency, the feeling, the vibe that you wanna have, and maybe having choice is even like saying the word choice can be a barrier.
0:23:37.2 S2: Sometimes I just see it leaning into the feeling that I want you… When you got quiet and kuan yin helped you, but really it was just kind of you talking to your own source, right. Patty and you giving your own self that choice, so why not just go straight there, go straight to the love, go straight to the forgiveness, and sometimes, honestly, forgiveness is even more difficult to get to than just like, oh, I’m gonna lean in to a part of me that doesn’t hate this person, and that’s it, it’s always there. We’re so infinite, we’re so dynamic, so many parts of us are there at any moment, and this is a true test of mastery, and I think it’s like when you’re out with your significant now there is a true test of mastery, and sometimes I’m just so impatient. Right, like how can this person who I’m married… Why did I marry this person? How can they be saying this in very… Anything right now, if I decide to do so, I lean into the part of me that totally is not upset by anything that’s going on, and then surprisingly, not surprisingly, everything changes at that moment and everyone’s happy again.
0:24:42.7 S2: It’s like, Oh, how did that happen? Oh, it was all me. I was the one creating the situation…
0:24:47.4 S1: Yeah, yes. So what’s your words of wisdom to people going forward for navigating this particular time we’re in… ’cause we are… As we’re recording this, it’s gonna go live within probably a week or so of when we’re talking, so it’s pretty close to the energy right now.
0:25:10.5 S2: Yeah, this is a really, really important time for anyone to really get clear on your internal states and be really honest and be honest where your ego and for lack of better word, just your fear, consciousness or resistance is really controlling aspects of your life, and then just to get really clear on the internal dialogue, the most that I have ever learned is by being in my own self, and by noticing how I respond to certain things, if I’m watching a movie, what inspires me, what does this create within me. How do I respond to people doing certain things within us all… There is a world of answers, and the metaverse, which I think we’ll move into a little bit, it’s really going to confuse a lot of people, it’s going to enhance our things, and if we don’t have that inner dialogue and connection with ourselves and our power, a lot of people are gonna get lost. And I would venture to say that almost everyone who is listening to this podcast and in the Patty’s world, you’re meant to be some form of grounding, and I don’t think that we can really be truly good guides, our teachers or mentors or just people, grounding good energy.
0:26:24.0 S2: If we don’t know ourselves, so any time that you can make any space that you can make to get to know yourself more, whether it be you’re just kind of hanging out or… I was just speaking to someone, she was mourning the passing of her mom, she took 11 days away from her family just to be in her own energy into mourning to go through the process. And it was the best thing that ever happened to us. He emerged a completely different person, so we give yourself permission to follow that inner calling, to know yourself more, you’re gonna need it, it’s gonna be a really powerful source for you…
0:26:56.9 S1: I love that. Okay, so now metaverse… First, define for people what meters means.
0:27:02.3 S2: We’ve had an ask you what you think the metaverse means?
0:27:05.7 S1: Oh my gosh, you’re gonna get an answer from the most Paulet immature version of grating that is Patty Lennon. The meta-verse is a construct of people, primarily those who have money and power, and gamers who have… Through the power of their collective agreement of this co-create it at first a word, or I should say, had created a concept that they assigned the label of metaverse to, which is essentially that we are moving into a space where the cloud, the cyber world, the world where energy passes through non-traditional physical material, whatever wealth goods that is essentially going to exist or does exist, and my impression of it is it’s the wild wild west with nobody watching out and the idiots running the asylum. So go ahead, you tell me what it really
0:28:15.5 S2: Is, I think it’s so true because I’m like, Wow, gamers are creating our future, what does that… And even Elon Musk said this, people who are creating basically the future, like the meta verse, an AI, let’s hope they have really good ethics, because they’re gonna have a huge impact on consciousness, right. And I do believe that will be some sort of tipping point, just like in my lifetime, there was a tipping point, and this is like the precondition, what happened? That was the tipping point where more people on this Earth lived in cities and urban areas versus in rural areas, that was a huge tipping point, and I think maybe in our lifetime, maybe not, but there’s gonna be a tipping point where more people are living life in the Mears and a digital reality versus in real life, and it’s gonna be like, what are they wearing in this digital reality, what real estate do they own? What art do they own and all the stuff, and yes, there will be a lot of people who probably already have a lot of money, making a lot of money, but also what we’ve been seeing are a lot of people who are in thermal countries who otherwise would have, I don’t know, mortals, but now they’re doing mining and whatever, and now they’re millionaires, right.
0:29:29.7 S2: In the metaphor, so it’s just kind of crazy in itself, but it really is to speaking to your point, kind of like the law Boles, anything can happen.
0:29:38.4 S1: Well, I just want to insert that right now, my ego is… This is what my ego sounds like in this cat’s like in the background, I’m not letting it into a V you, but there’s a back in my day. I can see… Every sentence it’s coming up with, it starts off with that phrase… Yeah.
0:30:03.1 S2: And your ego is perfectly right, because honestly, Patty, we are so lucky to have been the last generation of people who knew I was like without social media, like we have this enjoyment… This experience of life that I don’t know. You have kids, I grew up with this. It’s so different for them.
0:30:24.4 S1: Yeah, and I also think this feels… The Manvers thing feels very immature in its birth, the way a small child, a major… It’s not just the Wild Wild West, it’s the Wild West, but with… Yeah, I’m gonna stop my mahama conversation about this, and I think just… I would love to know from your perspective, from a spiritual perspective or an energetic perspective, why you have felt so drawn into this and intrigued by it, or at least that’s been my impression, and what that is…
0:31:05.6 S2: I feel a huge sense of inevitability, and so for me it’s… Do I want to just ignore? Because part of me, like ethically is kind of Uber, when Uber came, ’cause I had a lot of friends whose dads were cab drivers, and these people work so hard, so hard and they’re amazing people. They’re trying to provide for their families. And then Uber, and of course, I use Uber, but it was inevitable, inevitable. And so whether or not, whatever my feelings are about it, it is an inevitability, and so I’m leading with curiosity in terms of the space that you and I are kind of into this whole spiritual space, personal growth, so I’m coming from that sphere, and I’m like, Well, I wanna lean into, if I’m coming from the space, what this means for me, and I do feel inner sense of terror. There’s a part of me that knows mental health, how bad it is now, it’s gonna be even worse, so that I’m feeling in to wait, I do, I need to create something here for this… Are there people who are… There must be, I was actually listening to a Sad guru.
0:32:14.4 S2: He’s kind of like this new mystical Grove is an E… He’s a mystical guru who has a lot of YouTube videos and he said something, he’s like, You know the way that things are going and the way that people are experiencing so much of life, like teenagers have so much knowledge and have experienced so much of life just through video games and videos and social media, there can be this sense of like, Well, what’s the point I already know, so am I like, what’s the point of living or doing these things? I already know what’s gonna happen in a relationship, why should I get into one? And he said something so cryptic, and he was like, You know, I think that suicide rates are gonna be like 50% in the future, and I was like, I hope not because that sounds horrific, but for me, when I feel terror inside me, eventually I asked myself to lean into the Terror, and I lean in because I don’t want it to control me, you know, and so I’m not perfect with this ’cause there are things that are actually terrifying, but I lean into my terror of this and what this means for me, and my future kids and my parents.
0:33:16.4 S2: And so when I lean into that from the space of curiosity, that takes me to a bigger expanse of consciousness, and that’s the part that compels me, and this notion of this decentralized future that’s already happening now, people who didn’t have access to money through BitCoin and notes and other things now have access through a virtual reality, and so it’s so fascinating to me the power structures that are going to emerge, but more importantly, what that does to us as human beings with a biological brain that is still evolving and that’s kind of still in this world where we live in a community of 100 people. Anything beyond that? We get frazzled. So what does this mean for us? Oh, it means that there’s a new consciousness evolving, there are new spiritual tools coming to help people who want to be able to thrive in this inevitable land, give the… Honestly, I’m not thrilled about it. We can barely live in this world… Why would I wanna live in the metaverse like, Hello, I’ve already have enough on my plate. But it’s inevitable. It is.
0:34:27.6 S1: I like that take on it, I like the piece you said that just felt very juicy, that it’s expanding consciousness, it has a power to expand consciousness, it certainly has the power to expand consciousness about money, like one of the biggest things I talk to people about since, I left banking is… Money is not real, and I can prove it ’cause I was in banking, but most people don’t have that experience with money like I did.
0:34:56.0 S2: Oh
0:34:56.2 S1: Yeah, it is a very reality-based experience, but this with cryptocurrency, and I see everything else beyond cryptocurrency, I can even give a name too, so I won’t even speak to it, I think there is an understanding of this money is being made from nothing, they’re mining you from the internet and the internet didn’t even exist 50 years ago.
0:35:18.7 S2: So… And not even be more reality, there’s gonna be more stuff that just because people have decided that that has value, that it has value, but it’s literally nothing.
0:35:30.1 S1: Right, it’s because… Which is what I’ve always said to people is at the bank, we could put a million dollars on the books or take it off with the stroke of a pen, or the stroke of a keyboard based on if the right. People believed it was or was not there. And that was it. So crazy. And I think if everyone actually, even just 51%, probably even less buy into the understanding that money really is a belief system and not a reality system, we could move well, the direction of people that really needed… For basic needs.
0:36:12.0 S2: Oh yeah, I think that all starts with this belief, and I guess just this decision that we all can thrive, and I was just talking with someone about this too, that I can give away a lot of my wisdom and still thrive, I don’t need to hoard it ’cause someone was mentioning and they have so much stuff they don’t need and they feel like they’re hoarding it when someone else could use it… Yeah, we don’t need to hoard anything, and I think that there might be a level, the same level of terror that I have about the future and maybe it’s meters connected or not. I really think that the more people can just choose to lean into what they’re feeling about the future, that scares them, the sense of being irrelevant in the sense that they’re being behind… I still don’t know how to use Instagram, and sometimes that makes me feel so bad about myself, and I’m like, What is this? But that feeling ashamed or feeling left behind or feeling like the future, there’s no place for me, that’s kind of like this insidious thought that can really control us and how we run our lives today, and so whatever the meters represents for you, if it is like opportunity awesome.
0:37:26.6 S2: If it is a little bit of terror, that’s really good to bring that to surface into consciousness, because I think for me, it helps me to reconnect to the truth, which is, you know what, if I really fell into it, I am curious about the future and I don’t wanna feel irrelevant in it, that would actually make me feel horrible, and I know a lot of people that have kind of unconsciously allowed themselves to feel irrelevant, and I can’t think of a worse existence to me. That’s like a trigger. And so what if I allowed myself to feel that and to acknowledge that and then ask myself, How do I wanna feel… Well, I wanna feel like I’m… Part of this process, I wanna feel like maybe I’m helping people in the space. There’s a desire that’s birth from some of the things that we don’t wanna look at, and if we really wanna be the people helping to bring good and bring money and abundance to those who really rightfully deserve it and need it, we need to get clear within ourselves so I’m coming back to what you asked, which is the one piece I really get clear with yourself, because your ability to be effective in helping others is gonna be dependent on how clear you are with your own stuff.
0:38:40.3 S1: Oh, that is a great final wrap-up take away there, I love that, that… The one thing I forgot to mention is that you have a book, shadow magic, and I know, I think people can get that anywhere, but where do you wanna send people to… Check out your book, check out you connect with you. Maybe even in the meters.
0:39:08.3 S2: I will be on the meta versus one day, Patty and I will have this conversation and we will be there one day, like
0:39:13.7 S1: The room, meet me out there beyond the blog, what there is… I just don’t remember if it’s Rome or not, but that’s me out there beyond the people, the stuff that would be anything reality. Yeah.
0:39:30.6 S2: Maybe at the Starbucks in The Manvers, Peter, that actually would be cool to do this with commuters one day, but yeah, the book actually, people can download half of it for free on my website, so it’s annatsui.com/book, and you can download a for free and there’s some worksheets in there, and then if you like it, I really like bones and Noble, ’cause I go say their CAFE once in a while, I watch teenagers talk about life, it’s great, it makes me feel so connected to being youthful and fun, and also small booksellers, but yeah, you can buy online too, and it’s also on Amazon, the Giant… I know.
0:40:09.5 S1: Okay, that’s awesome. And where would you like people to connect with you? Otherwise.
0:40:14.0 S2: I’m on Instagram, so it’s a msannatsui, and on Facebook and the intuitive business school group, I do a free training every Monday at 10 AM Central Time.
0:40:30.5 S1: Oh, so many awesome offerings. Okay, we’ll put all those links in the show notes. So any last words of wisdom you wanna leave our listeners with…
0:40:38.3 S2: Well, I wanna thank you for this great powerful conversation that it’s really pulled a lot out of me in a good way, because of your questions and this podcast, I’ve actually learned a lot, and I wanna leave everyone with this notion that it’s your future… The lesson here, if you will for us, spiritual folks, is that we are God and we can create actually easier than before, and within all of us, there’s all these doorways of you having more ease in the things that you do, and it might just be leaning into that part of you that just wants to feel ease, and it’s perfectly okay to feel frustrated and all that stuff, there’s gonna be a lot of frustrating moments, but if you can just imagine me in a car with someone who I married recently who has road rage and I’m all about just positivity and just having a peaceful life, I’m like, How did I get here? And I just mean a part of me that just didn’t care and I was like, I’m having a peaceful moment no matter what, and I changed everything, just remember me in your prayers, but also remember that at any point you could lean into peace, you can lean into love, you can make, it’s always there for you, ’cause you have this infinite palette within you…
0:42:01.8 S1: That’s wonderful, I love that. Alright, well, thank you so much, Anna, for being here and everyone go check out an ANSI dot com back, we’ll put the rest of the links in the show notes and shows… Well, choose where all my friends Tibetans for how do we? Hey, thanks for listening.
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